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13/14th April: Incinerater enquiry

Ho All,
14th April

The inspector opened, after mentioning his hotel problems, by stating he has received a letter from a Mrs Williams which he will now regard as written representation which would be circulated to all Parties.

Mr Phillips SITA QC then proceeded to X examine Mr M Broadhurst POC.
Main object was to discredit Power of Cornwall re the structure of the business, involvement with WDA and SITA. one point which Mr Broadhurst highlighted is that the Highways Agency have been forbidden to use bottom ash in any structural work due to an accident which injured two workmen. HSE'S stance on the use of IBA and foaming concrete. Highways
Agency have been forbidden to use IBA on any of its contracts.

Inspectors question to MB, you have mentioned the Holsworthy Plant. MB proceeded to explain that, if a new plant was built it would be an improved system to this one. Foamed concrete was explained. Bottom ash is a second grade aggregate.

Mr Toms then X examined MB with many constructive questions which were responded to again with factual evidence.
Mr Paul Matthews was then called. He introduced himself and proceeded with his evidence statement, a very explict and detailed report well documented and presented. Too much to record, but one thing which I think I should highlight and that is that the mess that CC indeed we all are in is down to Messers Patel, Maltbeak, Maggie Thurgood and Caroline Jackson(MEP) The Cornwall Council should be supporting the public, ie the people of Cornwall, not Corporate Private interest. This was all good stuff.

Mr Matthews was then X examined by Mr Moorland-Smith by asking his family background and livelyhood, No real issues in fact Mr MLS said SITA witnesses would be asking questions relating to his evidence. Probably afraid of Mr Matthews's responses, which apparently could have been interesting.

Mr M. responded to questions from the inspector about the area of France he had referred to, rural and industrial, compares with Cornwall. Mr M explained the waste collection procedure in France, also the fact that many incinerators in France have been closed down due to emission levels being exceeded.

The Inspector announced that he will be meeting with Rule 6 parties to explain dos and donts for final submissions during lunch break on Tuesday
Also that he would be doing a site visit at night, could vantage points be suggested. When site visit etc lists are complete could they be circulated to ensure that an overall plan and map can be agreed and prepared.

Mr Jones (Multi/Single Site Options Appraisal & Carbon Balance) by video link was X examined by Mr M Broadhurst after introduction as a freelance advisor and is a former Biffa director. Mr Jones' presentation was on a national basis from 20 years of experience in waste industry. that experience was explained in detail.The future of waste management will or should include progress in technology, financial concerns and renewable energy. Public involvement produces options. AD technology can operate in small units, needs space, little
capital, CC response to reports has shown no appetite for waste
separation. Cornwall is no different from the National issues.

Mr Jones was then X examined by Mr Phillips. Usual attempt to
discredit witness direct environment with Cornwall. Alternatives to bring on stream time scale were discussed. Not enough being done to meet future needs. Council do not understand the enormity of the problem. Commercial waste in this country is twice as much as household waste. We need these new plants quickly. One fact which stands out a mile is the fact that the cost of the transfer of heat from Plant to user is £1million per kilometre. Better strategic view should come from government and councils.

Mr Broadhurst thanked Mr Jones for his presentation which in my
opinion, led by Mr Broadhurst, was very good, certainly batted for our side

By the way yesterday's RATE should be WRATE.

The inspector adjourned todays session at 2.07pm. until Tuesday 20 April, after asking Cornwall Council to please confirm venue for Final submissions.
Inspector then questioned Mr Jones, how do incinerators fit to green house gases sceeme. detailed answer was given. too complicated to record, but good.


Attendance today 40 in total.

Hi All,

13th April

The proceedings started with POC evidence.
1st POC witness was Dr Jean Venables (Technology Options Appraisal), who after introduction, proceeded with her evidence which was mainly based on sustainable developement.
Mr Rod Toms led Dr Venables into explanations, this was followed by being X examinated by Mr Phillips, SITA QC. His method of doubting Dr Venables' integrety prompted her
annoyance and an aggressive response. Gave as good as she was given. just shaved it on points.
Lunch was taken at 12.15 until 1.15pm.

POC then called its 2nd witness Dr Colin Trier(Anaerobic Digestion), Dr Trier introduced himself by stating his main areas of expertise are sustainability, environment management in business, and waste management.

Led by Mr Toms Dr Trier presented various aspects of alternative techologies, such as AD, recycling, food waste collections and composting. collection of food waste could be introduced in a relatively short space of time. Consumeriscim is a world wide problem and must be tackled in a sustainable manner. Food and kitchen waste must be seperated from dry and recyclable waste. Anaerobic Digestion is a proven technology. Cornwall must recycle more, potential is there. Government targets will have to be met.

Autoclave. POC is not advocating landfill. Peer view of ERM Rate Modelling analysis. how you read it is what counts. Analysis informative is helpfull but not meant to be used for decision making.
Rate Modelling is only as good as what is put into it. AD units can be built fairly quickly. Further responses were very detailed.
Landfill directives and recycling targets would result in incineration not being viable. Carbon sequenstation was explained. This was all good stuff.

Mr Phillips then X examined Dr Trier, started by saying that his spoken evidence do not relate two a two page evidence sheet. his X examination continued as usual attempting to discredit the witness.
disagreement over number of authorities who use EFW.(apparently there are 121 waste authorities in Britain). Referred to Waste Local Plan details.
Mr Boyle intervened and corrected Mr Phillips regarding his statement that the EFW incinerator was in the Waste Local Plan. the inspector agreed with Mr Boyle and upheld his correction.
Large number of livestock, which produces large amounts of organic waste. yes(Dr Trier) but it is not enough to enhance our soil.
inspector asked one or two questions. must keep digestate clean. etc.
Mr Toms referred to Mr Phillips comment about the number of local authorities using EFW as 90 odd. Mr Toms had documents stating 18. Co2 emissions must be reduced by 80% by 2050.

Break for afternoon "crib" 3.03pm until 3.18pm
3rd POC was witness Dr Mark Scibor-Rylski (Viability & Bankability of Alternative Technologies) University of Exeter in Cornwall Enterprises Ltd. after introducing his background, Mr Toms asked Dr Scibor-Rylski to present his proof of evidence. This turned out to be very detailed
and constructive, was enjoyed by all. All good stuff
A very long and detailed presentation of evidence which was most helpful to our cause. Mainly concentrated on the benefits of AD and the logic of 9 or 10 small sites around the county. very professional.
Mr Boyle CC QC made a point of order and stated that Mr Phillips has referred to the Waste Local Plan recording that it recommended a CERC at St.Dennis which as we all know was not true.(slight argument) Mr Boyle repeated his point of order, which the inspector upheld. smacked wrist for Mr Phillips.

Short break at 4.30pm

Proceedings started with POC's Mr M Broadhurst being called as a witness who then gave his introduction. He was then led by Mr Toms who asked about alternative technologies. visited the Holsworthy Bio-gas plant a working process. I am a supporter of AD. A lot of technical information involving alternative technologies was exchanged including financial facts. POC 's recommendation did include up to ten sites.
Incineration is not the right technology.
Overall this has been a good day, we heard and enjoyed some excellent evidence.
Mr Adrian Lea was present pm.

The inspector stated to Mrs P Blanchard and myself that for the public speaking at St.Dennis next wed 21st April people should present their written statements for photocopying at the Inquiry next Tuesday 20 April.
The inspector adjourned todays proceedings at 5.35pm